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Post by gdbrown on Aug 1, 2010 13:45:09 GMT -5
Good guess, Justin, but it is not Dave. However, you are correct on one account - it was taken in Baltimore.
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Post by gdbrown on Aug 1, 2010 19:28:14 GMT -5
Okay, I admit - this was a tough one for those of you who have been responding.
The gentleman in the photo is Terry Baker, and it was taken just prior to the start of the Baltimore City Marathon.
Terry Baker is a graduate of Williamsport High School in Washington County, and I believe he ran at Auburn (someone please correct me if I'm wrong on this one). He placed 2nd in the '82 GAR certified ten miler with a time of 49:32. He also had the fastest time on the original "Moonshine" 10k course of 30:44 (1981), and I know he ran at least a 2:16+ marathon. He was sponsored by New Balance, and I can remember he led one of the NYC Marathons for the first 10 miles. (It was great advertising for New Balance.)
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Post by gdbrown on Aug 1, 2010 19:48:39 GMT -5
Movin' on... Who is the guy checking his watch at the start of this race? Can anyone identify the guy with the moustache in front of the guy checking his watch? (Hint: He, undoubtedly, is one of the best runners to ever come out of the state of WV.) Finally, name the race. Attachments:
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Post by jarmstrong on Aug 1, 2010 20:19:07 GMT -5
The man checking his watch is Dave Reinhart. The runner in front escapes me. I will guess that the race is the Charleston 10 miler.
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Post by Justin on Aug 1, 2010 20:30:57 GMT -5
I'm making a huge guess and going with Steve Taylor for the guy in front of Dave.
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Post by jarmstrong on Aug 1, 2010 20:36:07 GMT -5
It just came to me. Carl Hatfield....I think
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Post by jarmstrong on Aug 1, 2010 20:47:22 GMT -5
After seeing the name of Terry Baker, I could help but think of a story concerning him and his ability. A group of us from QCS went to Hagerstown to run in the "Hawk 10K", a race to benefit the athletic programs at Hagerstown CC. The race was to begin at 9 AM, but the race director announced that the start would be delayed for about 10 minutes. A group of runners from the area were coming off an early 20 miler and some of them wanted to jump in the 10K race. One of them was Terry Baker. He didn't win the race but he finished in the top 7 and 2 plus minutes ahead of me....very disheartening
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Post by gdbrown on Aug 1, 2010 21:20:39 GMT -5
If cash was given for the correct answer, Coach Armstrong would be hearing "ca-ching, ca-ching" right now...Dave Rinehart and Carl Hatfield are correct. Good guess on the Charleston Distance Classic, Coach, but not the right race. Also, good educated guess, Justin. Steve Taylor, along with Chris Fox, could now be considered the two best runners to ever come out of WV. Taylor came along as a high school "stud" in the early 80s. Hatfield was somewhat of a familiar face in this area. He placed 12th in the 2nd GAR in a time of 52:38. I didn't realize it at the time, but he was 35 when he ran that race. He was the first XC runner from WVU to earn All-American honors and did so during his junior (20th) and senior years (10th). The West Virginia native is a direct descendant of the Hatfield family that fought the McCoys. Here is a link for additional information on Hatfield: www.msnsportsnet.com/page.cfm?section=12770The race was "The Great Race" in Pittsburgh in '82. Malcom East, the person who won the GAR earlier that year, won this very fast 10k in 27:57. Dave Rinehart ran 29:21 and placed 12th!!! The first ten place winners received gold watches. Dave's superb effort earned him "nada." If I can find it, I'll post a photo of me giving Dave an empty can for his efforts. Carl Hatfield placed 17th in 29:58. Incidentally, 12,000+ ran the race that day from Frick Park to Point Park. If you ever want to run a super fast 10k, "The Great Race" is where to do it. www.rungreatrace.com/One thing I can remember about that day is running back to the start point via a shorter route (about 5 miles instead of 6.2). Dave, Tom, Steve Molnar (13th in 29:22) and some other runners we came to know from the Johnstown area ran back together. On the return trip, one thing that struck me was how long 5th Avenue is, and how certain sections of the "Avenue" were very high income housing and one particular section was poverty like I had never seen before or since.
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Post by gdbrown on Aug 1, 2010 21:39:33 GMT -5
Here is the photo of me giving Dave an empty can for his accomplishment after the 1982 "Great Race." Tom Castle, a FH and FSU grad, also ran the race. Going back to Coach Armstrong's last comment about Terry Baker showing up to run a 10k after running a 20 miler and finishing two minutes ahead of him - I know I've had such experiences, too. The one that really sticks in my head was at the NCAA DIII National XC Meet held at Grinell College in Iowa. I went through the first mile of an 8k race in 5:02 and I was in about 170th place out of 185 runners...as Coach Armstrong said, "very disheartening." Attachments:
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Post by gdbrown on Aug 2, 2010 7:21:37 GMT -5
I'm certain several people can identify several runners in this former race. Name some of the individuals in their younger days, and name the race. Attachments:
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Post by jarmstrong on Aug 2, 2010 8:18:39 GMT -5
#656 is Tom Langan
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Post by dmickey on Aug 2, 2010 12:29:15 GMT -5
I see smitty, and one of the Bridges I believe.
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Post by gdbrown on Aug 2, 2010 15:39:14 GMT -5
Coach Armstrong and Coach Donnie Mickey are right in their identification of a few individuals.
Paula Bridges is in the front left, and Lynn Bridges is behind her. Paula won the women's side of this particular race (41:42) by about 20 seconds, and Lynn placed second. Camille Blume is also in the photo toward the front. I think Joe Altobello, wearing the dark glasses, is in this cropped photo and I believe Ron Sperry, who lived in Romney, is also in the photo. Ted Troxel, former writer for the CTN, did a nice job on the post-race article.
Tommy Langan is the strong looking runner between Smitty (to his left as you view the photo) and me (to his right). When I say strong, Tommy not only looked strong, but was the one person I found most difficult to do any training with on a consistent basis. I remember it being like this: I could train with Smitty most days of the week because he was always willing to train at the partner of the day's pace. I could train with Dave Rinehart once or twice a week, and I sometimes ran my longer and harder days with him. I could train with Tommy once every two weeks or once every month because he always wanted to run the most difficult courses (Morantown Hill and up Route 40 from Eckhart), and he always started "out of the gate" at what seemed like 6:00-6:30 miles, regardless of the hills that were encountered at the beginning of a run. I often times felt as if I was in oxygen debt from the first few seconds of a run with him until we finished. Needless to say, he worked me, and I want to think I benefited from the days we trained together.
I finished very close to Tommy in this particular race. Smitty won in 32:28, Tommy ran 33:11 and I ran 33:19. Steve Bell ran 34:15, and his father, Jim, ran 44:06 and placed second in the 50 and over age group. One of my running mentors during my teenage years, Bob McGreevy, won the 50 and over age group in 39:51; Bob was 52 at the time. Amy Workman, Bill's wife, placed 2nd in the 40+ age group. A young Tracey Gilmore (Keyser High School), won the 14-19 age group in 34:35.
*Interesting side note: There is an article beside this race article about the Area XC Meet. The favorites? Tracey Gilmore of Keyser, Scott Lee of Hampshire, Vicki Avey of Fort Hill, Marne Davis of Beall and Tanya Bean of Keyser. Beall and Keyser dominated area team competition during that time. However, as noted in the article, "Last year's champion Beall could not be entered when the roster fell below the necessary five team members." Beall was coached by the legendary Barney Langan and Keyser was coached by the legendary Jim Broom.
A total of 151 runners participated in this race in October of 1984.
Still asking - Does anyone know the name of the race or where it was run?
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Post by gdbrown on Aug 3, 2010 9:01:06 GMT -5
Ted Troxell's post-race article in the CTN started out with the following:
"Jeff (Special Delivery) Smith turned a bout with the flu into a case of the flew yesterday morning when he won the Downtown Mall Run for the third consecutive year." (Smitty was given the name "Special Delivery" by the late CTN Sports Editor - J. Suter Kegg.)
Smitty also held the course record of 30:30. Don Norman of Uniontown, PA, won the race the other year of this race's four-year life span. Norman was a very respected runner, not only in this area but throughout the United States. He won "The Great Race" in Pittsburgh one year, and I believe he won the GAR one year (not sure if it was the old course or the current 15k course). Norman ran a 2:11 marathon in 1985, and he was the third alternate for the U. S. Olympic team in the marathon in the 1988 Olympics.
The race was simply known as "The Mall Run," and, to be honest, was one of my favorite races. It was sponsored by First Peoples Community Credit Union and the start/finish area was on the corner of Baltimore and George Streets. The main part of the course was on Route 51 (South), and the turn-around was just before Valentine's Plumbing and Heating just across the Evitt's Creek Bridge.
This course is one that should be considered if anyone has any future plans to have a 10k in Cumberland.
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Post by Justin on Aug 3, 2010 9:30:00 GMT -5
That would be a nice course. I'd like to have more 10k's in the area for sure.
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