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Post by Justin on Feb 13, 2008 21:08:15 GMT -5
I figured I'd start a new thread asking everyone what their favorite running book was. I mean training books, not Once A Runner, that doesn't count.
Mine is "Winning Running" by Bill Dellinger. I got my hands on a used copy, published 1978. I don't think it is in print anymore. It is a really good and detailed break out of the "Oregon System" including a 43 week run of Pre's running plan in 1972 leading up to the Olympic 5000 final at the end of it.
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Post by frojoe23 on Feb 14, 2008 7:45:59 GMT -5
I love Daniel's Running Formula. Although the training plans are a bit crazy, but I agree with a lot of Daniel's ideas - I just don't think too many of them work for me.
I've noticed in the last two years that I refer back to a lot of Daniel's charts after races. His VO2 max chart and equivalent performance chart are the best that I have seen.
Also, even though it is a million pages and some spots are highly technical - the Lore of Running by Tim Noakes is a great read if you have about a month of free time.
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Post by kevinspradlin on Feb 14, 2008 13:34:39 GMT -5
Noakes is a good read - long - but taken in segments is unparalleled. My vote would be Running Tough by Michael Sandrock. Gives a lot of ideas for training runs that an average runner is capable of doing (dumbed down, of course). Human Kinetics puts out a lot of publications with reliable information...
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Post by Justin on Feb 14, 2008 14:21:36 GMT -5
I'll have to check out Noakes, I'm personally not a huge fan of exercise physiology stuff, I'm more into the hard data, the what not the why I guess. Sandrock wrote one of my favorites in "Running With The Legends", pretty much a run-down of different elite runners with biographical information and a section on training philosophy and a "typical week" log in for each. My ideal book would be just a load of running logs for different runners.
One thing I really like about the Dellinger book I have is it focuses not only on individual training, but team training as well. How to build a program and train runners from 400m to 10k. I personally think it is a valuable resource for anybody interested in coaching a track team.
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Post by wvrunner on Feb 14, 2008 22:16:59 GMT -5
Great topic choice Justin. I'd love to read that Dellinger book sometime. I also have to agree with Jaron about the Daniels book, I have the first one and used the tables very frequently for workout paces when I coached. I've never read the Noakes book but have heard good things about it.
I'd put two books as my personal favorites. The Joe Vigil book "Road to the Top" is similar in content to what Justin described in the Dellinger book. Yearly workout plans for the 800 up to the marathon. The tables are laid out weird so it takes some time to get used to those. But overall some interesting thoughts.
I recently read the book "Take the Lead" by Scott Simmons and Will Freeman. It's not so much about training but how to set up a complete distance program. I wish I would have read this when I was coaching, it has some great insights into thoughts, team-building and coaching philosophy.
Other noteworthy's are the Lydiard book "Running to the Top". Lydiard had some breakthrough ideas but many of his philosophies are a little different. Legendary high school coach Joe Newton's book Coaching Cross Country successfully is also interesting. He trains the legs off those kids but gets results.
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Post by Justin on Feb 14, 2008 22:35:32 GMT -5
I can let you borrow the Dellinger book sometime, but I do guard it with my life. It is dated in some respects, but I think that is one thing I like about it.
I would have included a Lydiard book, "Running to the Top" would have been a great one, but I've found his books pretty poorly written and hard to understand. I had the privilege to attend one of his lectures on one of his last tours at the Rodale Press headquarters in eastern PA while in college, and he was much clearer in person along with the lecture notes. You can find these notes online in numerous places.
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Post by kevinspradlin on Feb 15, 2008 17:10:02 GMT -5
Justin, I can lend you the Noakes book - 4th edition. Let me know if you want it...
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Post by flyinghighrunner on Feb 15, 2008 20:34:59 GMT -5
I've read bits and pieces of Noakes and it is very in depth. I like the way JD was able to parse all the extensive research into his book so that it included enough of the physiological understanding, and summarize it into a formula fit for different distances. There's also enough information to logically adapt his training schedule to fit for injuries/illness. After saying all of that, I don't follow it too closely, but do use his VDOT charts to roughly determine the pace I should be running (tempo, mile repeats, long run pace). There's a great excel chart that you can enter a time for 5k/10k/half/full and it will pop up your pace for all kinds of stuff as well as determine a number of other things (age graded, effect of temp on performance, etc) that follows mostly with JDs formula. I will dig it up and post the website link if I find it.
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Post by flyinghighrunner on Feb 15, 2008 20:39:25 GMT -5
www.electricblues.com/runpro.htmlIt's like the 3rd one down danielstable2-9.zip lots of other stuff there too for those interested AND what's the problem using OAR as a training manual? 60 quarters should be on everyone's weekly training list (preferably for an easy morning run)
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Post by flyinghighrunner on Feb 15, 2008 20:41:31 GMT -5
oh yea....you will also find the lecture notes (Lydiard) on that site
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Post by Justin on Feb 15, 2008 21:53:39 GMT -5
That is the Lydiard tour I attended. That web-site is neat, there's enough nerdy stuff there to keep me busy for weeks.
Kevin, I'd love to borrow the Noakes book sometime.
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